More D&R Pipe Cut pics (Windsail)

[admin]

New forum member "Whalen" recently ordered 5 pounds each of Windsail and Windsail Platinum from Top Ten Online Retailer American Thrust. Due to D&R's changeover (the new cuts have only been made available to to their wholesale customers so far) this gave us our first look at the temporary label they are using on the old bags and comparison pics of D&R's Windsail blend in the new pipe cut.

[Edit: There's been quite a bit of speculation and controversy about the pipe tobacco label shown in the image below, I asked Mark Ryan specifically about it and this was his reply; "we should have the new pipe bags and pipe labels back from the printer in a few weeks".]





Thanks for the pics Whalen!

[Xalky]

You'd think that they'd have to do better than throw a Pipe Tobacco sticker right over the RYO label.

[Whalen]

That is bugging me big time, I really want them to pull off a successful transition. You would think that this temp label on an old bag would be "exhibit A" material in any inquiry as to the "status or intent". I am sure they know what they are doing, but hey! By the way it is a nice quality bag that had to cost, even in bulk. I wish everybody the best of luck.

[admin]

I have a feeling D&R is going to try to avoid at all costs sending out bags with that label to customers, but not much they could do about it at the time to their wholesalers.

[Gilster]

I have a feeling D&R is going to try to avoid at all costs sending out bags with that label to customers, but not much they could do about it at the time to their wholesalers.

I think that's a very unwise and possibly illegal thing to do - they should have bought different bags or waited for them.

It's just like in the supermarket - you can't put a higher price sticker over a lower price one - you need to scrap off that lower sticker [or mark it in a way that it's illegible]

You can't just re-label a product because you ran out of bags either, I can see it in a farmers market [relabeling potato bags to carrots if you ran out of carrot bags] but you'll never see that in a commercial and regulated business.

Should have held a sold-out position until the other bags were ready.
This could be very detrimental to the business plan he's trying to achieve.

Now, with this shoddy re=labeling, even though it's a different cut....you don't think Tobacco Control is not paying attention?

[this thread should be in members only - not that it would help that much - just saying]

[seitengewehr]

Hello. My first post here, but I've been an RYO smoker on and off for quite some time, especially when I spent a year in Iraq.

I was rather heartbroken learning about the SCHIP bill, and missing a chance to try a number of D&R's popular tobaccos, specifically Rowland Plat, in the original cigarette cut. Rowland regular, being one of my favorites, I found and ordered from American Thrust, and like this bag of Windsail, it came in an old bag with the same simple "PIPE TOBACCO" sticker put over the old label. This is a very fine pipe tobacco cut, and I will gladly provide photos if anyone thinks I should.

But before jumping to conclusions regarding the legality of relabeling these bags, does anyone know what the rules and regulations are and where I could find them? I am reminded of the sale of "waterpipes" for "tobacco use only," which as we all know, are pretty obviously NOT just for tobacco use. But as long as you have a sign somewhere that says "tobacco use only," and as long as you refer to waterpipes as waterpipes and not something else, you're in the clear.

I have faith in D&R, and I find it rather unlikely that they would jeopardize their entire business out of laziness, or simply to be able to use up old bags and labels. I'm sure they know what they're doing.

While I've struggled with the SCHIP bill, and the many contradictory and ridiculous aspects of the new taxes (such as the notion of funding a program through taxing an item that at the same time, they claim taxing it, will help curtail use). But I must say that tobacco is a luxury item, and it seems a small price to pay when I think about chlidren who truly do need the services SCHIP ostensibly provides. But then again, I am a combat veteran, and the notion of sacrificing my own gains for the better of the nation comes almost as an instinct at this point.

Politics aside, everything about this recent batch is exactly like the older batches of Rowland I have smoked. I can't WAIT to be able to try RowPlat soon!!

[MisterMxyzptlk]

But I must say that tobacco is a luxury item, and it seems a small price to pay when I think about chlidren who truly do need the services SCHIP ostensibly provides. But then again, I am a combat veteran, and the notion of sacrificing my own gains for the better of the nation comes almost as an instinct at this point.

I will let other folks address your points I did not quote, but my biggest problem with the S-CHIP tax on RYO is not the reason for it nor that I disagree with sin/stupidity taxes. Despite being a frequent consumer of both sin and stupidity, I'm willing to pay for it.

What pisses many of us off is not the tax nor the justification for it; it's the 2400 percent increase in one jump. It could have been phased in. But there is some bigtime unfairness to it as well. As dz pointed out, when the tobacco farmer is making $2 a pound from all of his labor and the government is raking in $24 from the same pound, something is very, very wrong.

-TJ

[dayworks]

But I must say that tobacco is a luxury item, and it seems a small price to pay when I think about chlidren who truly do need the services SCHIP ostensibly provides. But then again, I am a combat veteran, and the notion of sacrificing my own gains for the better of the nation comes almost as an instinct at this point.

I will let other folks address your points I did not quote, but my biggest problem with the S-CHIP tax on RYO is not the reason for it nor that I disagree with sin/stupidity taxes. Despite being a frequent consumer of both sin and stupidity, I'm willing to pay for it.

What pisses many of us off is not the tax nor the justification for it; it's the 2400 percent increase in one jump. It could have been phased in. But there is some bigtime unfairness to it as well. As dz pointed out, when the tobacco farmer is making $2 a pound from all of his labor and the government is raking in $24 from the same pound, something is very, very wrong.

-TJ

I have to disagree with you on this TJ. I don't see one single thing about or behind the SCHIP legislation that I think is right, nor do I believe stretching out the billing 100 years would make it any better.

[Bill Ross]

So how did the new Windsail pipe cut stuff? Did it work ok as is or did it need to be ground down?

[vetteman]

I agree with Dayworks on this schip tax .I think it is rediculous and no amount of time to stretch it out would be appropriate .2400% increase is just outragious .